American Independent Party Picks Tom Hoefling for President

On August 11, the American Independent Party (AIP) nominated Tom Hoefling for President at its state convention in Sacramento, California. The convention was in the meeting room of Perkos Restaurant, 925 Third Street.

Only seven delegates were present when the vote was taken: Markham Robinson, Mary Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, Rev. Wiley Drake, Dennis Aguirre, John Robertson, and Phelps Hobart. A majority of votes cast were proxies of people who were not in attendance. Most of these proxies were controlled by Markham Robinson. There were 7 in-person votes and 13 proxy votes. The original vote was 19 for Hoefling and one for Goode, but then the Goode voter switched his vote to Hoefling so that the vote was unanimous.

Several hours earlier, three delegates, all backing Ed Noonan for President, had left the convention in protest. Noonan, who was one of those three delegates, told the gathering that he should be the presidential nominee because he had won the presidential primary and he had contributed many years of service to the AIP. Noonan accurately perceived what the vote was going to be, even though that vote was still several hours in the future at the time he left, so he and his backers saw no reason to remain for the vote.

The convention chose Dr. Robert Ornelas of Anaheim, California, for vice-president. He works with a group that develops Christian hip hop evangelistic messages. He did not attend the convention but he had phoned in on speaker phone and had asked for the vice-presidential nomination. However, when he asked for it, he was holding himself out as the running mate for Rev. Wiley Drake. Drake, who did attend the convention, had asked for the presidential nomination but did not receive it.


  1. #50 The Whigs ran several candidates in 1836, effectively carving up the general election map as your idea would. They lost.

    I don’t think Ron Paul wants this.

    If we had that scheme and we still had a primary schedule like we have now the first state would have an even more outsized influence because party primary voters in following states would run to that candidate so as to present a unified national front for November.

    It would be fun to do things that way for one election cycle though. It would be even better if we could have all the primary votes cast on one national primary day. Is think the inundation of pre-vote polling would have the effect of convincing voters to narrow down their choices before the vote date.

    If we could get rid pre-vote polling this would be fun.

  2. Casual Bystander · · Reply

    @50… check out 6 and 27. Now THAT’S the answer!!!!!

  3. Were it not for its clearly MISLEADING NAME, this pathetic excuse of a political party would have been vaporized off the ballot YEARS AGO! It needs a mercy killing!

  4. Tom Yager · · Reply

    #51 It would lead to some interesting state-by-state matchups to say the least!

  5. citizen1 · · Reply

    America’s Party again will be on in CA and only states that you can get on by paying a small fee.

  6. Trent Hill · · Reply

    “I, however, do know Tom and he is a gentle soul, but he is most deluded about his own significance and impact in politics. He somehow thinks that he matters…and, except to his family, I’m sure, he just doesn’t.”

    Tom is anything but a gentle soul.

  7. Timothy Yung · · Reply

    I e-mailed Tom Hoefling a few months ago asking if he would consider endorsing Virgil Goode. I also e-mailed Markham Robinson and Mark Seidenberg telling them I was interested in attending the convention and to give me more details about the time and location. I never got a response from any of them. By the time I found out the location from outside sources I already had previous time commitments to go to. Not that they would have allowed me as a delegate. I would be surprised if they had even let me through the door.

  8. Cody Quirk · · Reply

    Disgusting. Utterly disgusting.

    The only political party in this country that I have full faith in is the Independent American Party of Nevada, period.

    I’ll be voting for Goode, but it looks like this year, the choice is between the major parties 😦

    Gary Johnson might do well, but it will be a long, long time before the two-party system can be done away with at the federal level.

  9. […] discussion of this mess here, here, here, here and here. Also see the Ballot-Access News thread here. | | | | | […]

  10. Cody Quirk · · Reply

    Bill Shearer isn’t rolling in his grave, he’s thrashing in it.

  11. J.D. FARGO · · Reply

    #60 you are right

  12. Nick Kruse · · Reply

    Does the California Green Party do what @50 is proposing all parties do?

  13. I really think my plan would be the best idea. I mean, respecting the will of the people in every state isn’t hard to understand, right?

    Boo-hoo to the Democrats and Republicans who believe in this centralized selection BS. The national conventions of the big 2 should be only to talk about party platform ideas.

    I’ll give you an idea. I think what the MT Constitution Party did in 08 or the KS Reform Party did now, in letting their state delegates nominate whoever they want, should be encouraged.

  14. The Tuesday night America’s Summit call is on live — Tom is moderating from the road tonight, he’s on his way to California. All of good will are welcome. 218-936-4343 – passcode 340794#

  15. Mark for the record — the Hoefling campaign just crossed the border into California

  16. Mark Seidenberg · · Reply

    All these posts did not state what the AIP did at the State Central Committee on August 12, 2012 in Sacramento,
    CA. It elected a new chairman for the term of 2012 to 2014. The new chairman of the AIP is Dr. Wiley Drake, Sr.

    Richard Winger, You stated the members of the State Central Committee are not elected members of the County
    Central Committee of the American Independent Party.
    Please explain your comments here. I am both the Chairman of the American Independent Party of California and the Chairman of the American Independent Party Orange County Central Committee. I ran for County Central Committee in Orange County in 2012. I filed
    petitions with 30 signatures to get on the ballot.
    Therefore, please correct your comment her, because you
    are just wrong.

    Cody Quirk, Please explain your comment at #60? Remember it was Wm Shearer that asked me to run for Vice
    Chairman of the American Independent Party of California
    in 2006. It was Wm Shearer that got be elected a party office in 2004 and got me to run for Orange County Chairman of the AIP in March, 2004.

    TO Post # 57: I received no e-mail from you.

    TO Gary Odem, There was no fix in at the AIP convention.
    First I like Virgil Goode. He is a fine man. However,
    elections are make by choices. I have known Tom Hoefling
    like you since the 2005. I did not meet Mr. Goode until
    Friday, August 10th, 2012. Tom Hoefling was working for
    my hero in 2008, viz. Dr. Alan Keyes. Even Jim Clymer reminded the California Delegates to the Convention that
    he supported Dr. Alan Keyes of POTUS in 2008.

    Most of the delegates to the convention in 2012, backed
    Dr. Alan Keyes in 2008.

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Chairman, American Independent Party of California. P.S. Starting on September 4, 2012, Dr. Wiley Drake, Sr. will be the Chairman of the American Independent Party of California. Dr. Drake was the running mate with
    Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes in 2008.

  17. Mark Seidenberg · · Reply

    Steve Schulin

    That means he is not in Nevada. It is news to me. I thought that Hoefling is campaigning in Nevada. What is
    your source that Hoefling is now in California?

    Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Chairman, American Independent Party of California.

  18. Richard Winger · · Reply

    Mark Seidenberg, when we were at the convention together, about 2 p.m, I asked you whom you were going to vote for, for President. You looked me in the eye and said you still hadn’t decided. You were not truthful. Ed Noonan knew the whole decision had been made before the meeting was even convened, and you knew it too, but you couldn’t bring yourself to be honest about it.

  19. Hi Mark – The info about Tom Hoefling arriving in California last night was from Tom himself during the America’s Summit: Restore the Republic conference call. Recording is available at

  20. An Alabama Independent · · Reply

    I wish that Mark Seidenberg would tell us all what is to be accomplished by nominating a candidate for President who is, other than in California via the AIP, only going to be on the ballot in a couple other states, when Virgil Goode will be on the ballot in at least 30 – perhaps more. Tom Hoefling may be a good person and a patriot. But why divide the “constitutionalist” vote? It doesn’t make one bit of sense.

  21. Relevant to the choice by the literally criminal ” leaders ” of the state-recognized faction of the AIP of the moral, minimally, criminal Tom Hoefling as their Presidential candidate readers should know that ” the fix was in ” against Virgil Goode from the very first submission of Presidential primary names by SPLC/ADL/Republican agent Mark Seidenberg to the SOS office many months ago.

    To understand this you have to understand that the primary purpose of the AIP criminals convention was NOT to choose a Prseidential byline candidate nor to perform the traditional functions of such a meeting. Instead the crowning ” achievement ” of the meeting, at least to the criminal mastermind Mark Robinson who believes he controls the party ( instead of the SPLC/ADL/Republican alliance ), was to deny, in-person, the nomination to the standard bearer of the Constitution Party; in this case Virgil Goode.

    EVERYTHING that these criminals have done this year was aimed toward that one special moment when Robinson; who despite of and in total opposition to his totally fake ” Christian ” exterior/act despises the CP and everything it stands for; could claim that HE PERSONALLY, THE GREATEST PARLIMENTARIAN IN THE UNIVERSE; had, like Caesar, put ” thumbs down ” on the peon ( Virgil ) who he imagined had approached him ( the ruler of his world ) for approval.

    The intention all along was that Virgil would be denied the Presidential ballot line whether he got 1 or 1 million votes. There was no possible way that he would be ” blessed ” by God’s impersonator Robinson ( who so generously lets God do his functions for him ) as either Ed Noonan or Joe Shomo pulled from a gutter ( another version of Ed ) would be chosen instead of Virgil. All of the personal invitation calls by Seidenberg were planned from the first to lure the expected CP nominee to the ” convention ” so that Robinson could have his internal orgasm as he imagined himself to finally achieve the god status he believes he so richly deserves.

    And – surprise, surprise – in a falling out among demons Ed Noonan gets the same shaft that he so happily gave out before. It couldn’t happen to a more deserving sociopath/traitor/liar extraordinaire.

    Steve Schulin – Tom Hoefling is, as I describe at, a minimally moral criminal who was directly involved in the attack upon the CP; i.e.; the attack upon the 3rd party conservative movement. He is a liar, a coward, a complete fraud, and a monstrous, but totally understandable, choice of the AIP for President.

    He is totally understandable as their Presidential choice because he, like they ( sociopaths all ), is a moral criminal; i.e.; he is an ememy of our Creator. He is a fellow in good standing with the Robinson Crime Syndicate and is hence not only a moral coward but a totally fake religionist; i.e; he is a fake ” Christian ” just like Robinson is a fake Christian, Seidenberg is a fake Jew, and Noonan is a fake Mormon.

    Hoefling is only one part of the iceberg that is comprised of moles and traitors who are dedicated to killing the 3rd party conservative movement. Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan are other parts of the same anti-American and anti-humanity mafia. Their iceberg goes very deep and it has a ton of money behind it.

    So Steve – time to wake up and pull your head out of your posterior. Hoefling, like his fellow Robinson Criminal Syndicate members, is a liar from the moment he wakes up to the moment he goes to sleep and every moment in between. It is a measure of how far we have deteriorated as a nation that Tom Hoefling would dare to campaign for President. And yes – I am aware of a fellow named Obama when I wrote that.

    Don J. Grundmann, D.C. the last properly elected Chairman of the AIP, still its legal Chairman, and current Chairman of the Constitution Party of California.

    P.S. – Wiley Drake is yet another fake Christian and will hence be perfectly at home with his fellow moral criminals/cowards/liars/traitors.

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